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Help with he sound of CH!

 
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Leo-BR



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:41 am    Post subject: Help with he sound of CH! Reply with quote

hi there folks!
I cant do the CH sound in german, many have tried to explain that to me, but it's just different you know, an1 here has any clue tha could help me out on this one?

Ich
Mädchen

how do i say the CH in those words?

Thanx!
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levraiMOUTON



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the best of my knowledge, the ch sounds in "ich" is pronounced like English sh(Austria pronounces it exactly like sh) but with the middle of the tougue touching the palpatine(the back of your mouth), so it sounds more guttural.

As for the ch in "mädchen", it is pronounced exactly like in European Spanish j.

If you're in a jam, pronounce the ich-laut(ich-sound, ch in "ich") as sh and the ach-laut(ach-sound, like in the German exclamation "ach!", the ch in "mädchen") as k, you'll generally get understood, but you will sound weird.

Hope I helped : )
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

levraiMOUTON wrote:
At the best of my knowledge, the ch sounds in "ich" is pronounced like English sh(Austria pronounces it exactly like sh) but with the middle of the tougue touching the palpatine(the back of your mouth), so it sounds more guttural.

As for the ch in "mädchen", it is pronounced exactly like in European Spanish j.

If you're in a jam, pronounce the ich-laut(ich-sound, ch in "ich") as sh and the ach-laut(ach-sound, like in the German exclamation "ach!", the ch in "mädchen") as k, you'll generally get understood, but you will sound weird.

Hope I helped : )


That's a bit different from the way I learned it. My German teacher is from near the German border in France (Strasbourg, I believe). She may be teaching us her dialect, but, here goes nothing:

the "ch" in "ich" is prononced like the "kh" in the word "ankh"..if that helps at all

the "ch" in "madchen" (sorry, dunno how to make umlauts/tremas) is pronounced like an English "ch" as in "cheese"..the word kinda soudns like..made-chen
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Amikeco



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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Standard German "ch" is NEVER pronounced like English "sh".

In fact, it is either [ç], [x] or [k]. After the vowals "a, o, u" it is always [x], and after the vowals "e, i, ä, ö, ü" it is always [ç].

[ç]:
- ich: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/i/ich.wav
- der Wächter: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/w/der_Waechter.wav
- echt: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/e/echt.wav
- flüchten: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/f/fluechten.wav
- die Töchter: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/t/die_Toechter.wav
- "ch" in the diminuative "-chen" is always [ç]: das Mädchen: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/m/das_Maedchen.wav
- "ch" in front of those vowals it is [ç]: die Chemie: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/c/die_Chemie.wav

[x]:
- der Bach: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/b/der_Bach.wav
- der Docht: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/d/der_Docht.wav
- die Wucht: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/w/die_Wucht.wav

[k]:
- In the combination "chs" it is always [k]: der Ochse: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/o/der_Ochse.wav
- "ch" in front of "a, o, u" is [k]: das Chaos: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/c/das_Chaos.wav
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Amikeco



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is one exception: das Orchester [k]: http://www.leo.org/dict/aussprache/o/das_Orchester.wav.

It is likely that it derives from "chœur", and if it's because of that, then it is clear why the "ch" is spoken [k].

Oh, and Chöre, the plural of Chor, is also with [k] at the beginning.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Licking Palpatine? Reply with quote

levraiMOUTON wrote:
At the best of my knowledge, the ch sounds in "ich" is pronounced like English sh(Austria pronounces it exactly like sh) but with the middle of the tougue touching the palpatine(the back of your mouth), so it sounds more guttural.


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