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What is the hardest language to learn?
Italian
13%
 13%  [ 2 ]
French
40%
 40%  [ 6 ]
German
46%
 46%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 15

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d3molitionxlov3rs



Joined: 02 Dec 2005
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Location: Victoria, Virginia

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:22 pm    Post subject: I Need Help With French! Reply with quote

Okay, so I've been working at this French thing for a few weeks. I'm trying to teach myself through online tutorials and things, but I can't seem to get the hang of it. Our schools here don't offer French classes, therefore leaving my only option as learning myself or paying a community college almost $3,000 for a twelve week French course. Blah.

If anyone can help, these are some of the things I am having trouble with.
Example: My first lesson in French was through the online www.frenchtut.com. I started by translating simple sentence fragments such as:

1. I sit:
My Translation: (using a English-French dictionary and AltaVista's Babel Fish Translator to check my answers.) "Je s'asseoir,"
Francais: (This is the answer AltaVista gave me.) "Je m'assieds"

*When I switched the translator on AltaVista from English/French to French/English, I typed in "Je s'asseoir" and it returned as "I to sit down,"

2. You clean:
My Translation: "Vous propre,"
Francais: "Vous nettoyez"

*However, this time, when I reversed the translation, both of these came up as "You clean,"

3. They take:
My Translation: "Ils prendre,"
Francais: "Ils prennent,"

If anyone can help me, it would be greatly appreciated![/quote]
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Julien



Joined: 10 Feb 2005
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Location: Germany / France

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have bad news: French is not a piece of cake

English: I/you/he/we/you/they + infinitive
Arrow easy

that does not work like this in French
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mad



Joined: 06 Nov 2005
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Location: Canada

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think any book or online tutorial can replace a real teacher. I also advise you not to rely on online translators. They often do more harm than good. And when learning a new language, start smaller, like learning a few common phrases. Verbs can be tricky, especially if the sentence structure is new to you. Bonne chance! (Good luck!)

P.S. Julien..in English it doesn't really work like that..even though it is much easier than French

infinitive: to read
I read
You read
He/She reads
one reads
we read
you (pl.) read
they read
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CrystalKick



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself a Bescherelle and the verbs won't be a problem anymore. Wink
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zmike



Joined: 11 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's a good online conjugator

http://www.leconjugueur.com
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mad



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrystalKick wrote:
Get yourself a Bescherelle and the verbs won't be a problem anymore. Wink


They have those in France too? Cool. I never go to French class without mine.
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Julien



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad wrote:
They have those in France too? Cool. I never go to French class without mine.


Every pupil has one here.
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Priya



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself a Bescherelle and the verbs won't be a problem anymore.

Ahem!! may i ask what is this?
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Priya



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And oh yeah i don't think i can participate in the poll above because i don't know much about the other languages. Rolling Eyes
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mad



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Priya wrote:
Get yourself a Bescherelle and the verbs won't be a problem anymore.

Ahem!! may i ask what is this?


A Bescherelle is a great reference tool for everybody learning French. The one I was refering to is "L'art de conjuguer". It contains tables that show how to conjugate all French verbs in all tenses. It also contains short notes on how each tense is used. If you are trying to learn french, I would highly recommend it! Very Happy

I can't use HTML here so the link below will take you to a picture of the above mentioned Bescherelle.

https://www.francoboutique.ca/access/images/products/178.jpg


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Priya



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey thanx Very Happy
I'll check up as soon as possible...hey one more thing I have noticed that spoken french differs much from written french because when ppl speak they kind of join all the words together!!! and smtimes the phrases are grammatically incorrect..for e.g one person said "il dit moi"...isn't it supposed to be "il m'a dit"?

Also i am an intermediate level student ...but my speaking is very bad Crying or Very sad is there anyway or method by which i can improve it?

Merci Smile

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mad



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Priya wrote:
Hey thanx Very Happy
I'll check up as soon as possible...hey one more thing I have noticed that spoken french differs much from written french because when ppl speak they kind of join all the words together!!! and smtimes the phrases are grammatically incorrect..for e.g one person said "il dit moi"...isn't it supposed to be "il m'a dit"?

Also i am an intermediate level student ...but my speaking is very bad Crying or Very sad is there anyway or method by which i can improve it?

Merci Smile


About for their gramatically incorrect way of speaking, I think that it's just slang. i don't think anyone in an informal atmosphere speaks correctly (cuz it's kinda weird). Out loud, I guess people say j'veux, chui, "I" faut in the same that in English people say gonna, hadta, wouldja..man if I wrote the way I talked... Confused (spoke, whatever)

If you want to speak better French, practice makes perfect.

As usual, I could have made some mistakes.
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Priya



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thanx for your help Smile
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CrystalKick



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Il dit moi " doesn't make sense. Very Happy Maybe he said " Hé, dis-moi..." ( "Hey, tell me...")

Written and spoken french are very, very different from each other. There's an american girl in my school who began learning french in the USA who told me it's just like she never have learned any. Very Happy
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ledzeppelin



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the poll I have to said german . cause im really stock in das accusative n dative cases, "den , dem" etc, n with the verbs conjugations the times the plurals etc .its like imposible to me to understand it , das geht night ..

Im native on spanish n I leant italian on 3 months n I have been a year without practicing it n i still talk it very well, is almost the same as spanish.
now I muss learn some french, cause i ll make a trip to Arlon, Belgium n I want to have a knowledge of it . I had heard that the french grammar is awfull there r two accents ´`. n I have problems with the pronunciation, I hope my spanish could help me on something with my french.
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