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piakster



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: "ll" Reply with quote

My French tutor said when "ll" is between 2 vowels the "ll" becomes softer. For eg , "travaille" is pronounced as tra-vai. But why the "ll" in words like "elle" and "ville" are not soften? Enlighten me!
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Julien



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really difficult to answer questions about pronunciation.

I can't figure out what "soften" means in this context.

Travaille is pronunced like "Trav - I" (say I like in English)

Ville is pronunced pretty much like "veal" in English

You may think that Fille should have the same pronouciation with f instead of v. Sorry, it's different Razz but i am unable to find a word that would sound alike in English.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: "ll" Reply with quote

piakster wrote:
My French tutor said when "ll" is between 2 vowels the "ll" becomes softer. For eg , "travaille" is pronounced as tra-vai. But why the "ll" in words like "elle" and "ville" are not soften? Enlighten me!


Ville apart, it's usually only the "ill" sequence which take the "aye"
sound.

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Julien



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mille est prononcé comme ville

Bille comme fille

Lille comme Mille, c'est à dire pas comme bille (ni fille) Laughing Laughing


Fastoche!
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CrystalKick



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best thing to do when you doubt yourself about pronounciation is to consult a dictionnary to find the phonetic. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:36 pm    Post subject: Lesson on ll Reply with quote

Hi -

I have a lesson that explains when ll is pronounced like L and when like Y: http://french.about.com/od/pronunciation/a/ll.htm

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Julien



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"un codicille" Shocked Shocked

What the hell is this? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C'est parce que ton prof parle de voyelles à l'oral, ici la séquence "ll" n'est pas entre deux voyelles mais à la fin du mot.

Ce n'est pas facile mais il faut penser que les voyelles et les consonnes à l'écrit ne sont pas comme à l'oral, et bien souvent on parle de l'oral.

Je sais... si tu ne connais pas l'oral, ça te fait une belle jambe ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:53 am    Post subject: an idea Reply with quote

i think he means you should pronounce it as a y.
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TuEsPartout



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fille sounds like "fee" in English.
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