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Amikeco



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: German for beginners Reply with quote

These pages will be a great help. Good luck! :)

http://www.exeter.ac.uk/german/abinitio/
http://static.unilang.org/resources/courses/learngerman_en.php
http://static.unilang.org/resources/courses/learngerman2_en.php
http://home.unilang.org/main/wiki2/index.php/German_grammar
http://home.unilang.org/main/wiki2/index.php/German_phrases
http://german.about.com/
http://home.unilang.org/main/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3732
The Internet Picture Dictionary: German http://www.pdictionary.com/german/
http://www.canoo.net/services/Search/ueberblick/index.html?MenuId=Search&lang=en
http://wortschatz.uni-leipzig.de/
http://www.pons.de/

Dictionary with sound files: http://dict.leo.org/?lang=en&lp=ende&search=
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kota



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, thank you, Amikeco, for the links.

Is your name German?
What does it mean?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My nick is in Esperanto and means "friendship". Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Amekico!

I've started with the picture dictionary and it's fun! Thanks!

What level are you in now? College?

You may want me to help you in research.

I'm a freelance writer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great that you have found something appropriate for you! :D

I'm studying Slavonic (mainly Russian) and Romance (mainly French) studies at university since October.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, just enough to for me to get familiar with the language.

I get the feeling, however, that German is hard to learn.

Ah, I see you are learning several languages. What for? Even the dead languages?

And which language did you find most appealing?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's continue talking here: http://www.jump-gate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3888#3888. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kota wrote:
Yes, just enough to for me to get familiar with the language.

I get the feeling, however, that German is hard to learn.?


Don't be repelled by it. You already know a related language - English.

Maybe you should read a bit about the second Germanic sound shift which explains the changes German underwent, separating it from other West Germanic languages like Low Saxon and English. Additionally, you should also try to find something about the English sound shifts, Then you will be able to learn to recognize cognates which will faciliate your learning.

E. g. yawn - ghnen (in my living area it's "jehnin" with a short "i" - so similar German ending but the same "G" softening like in English)
- English has softened many "G"'s to "Y", and many of the endings have vanished.

Another example: knight and Knecht (menial) - in the earlier Middle Ages knights saw themselves as menials.
- "gh" had been like nowadays "kh" back then and the "k" had been pronounced. "e" developed to "i" in English - if you go back, you can see that both words are basically the same, though in Standard German you pronounce the "ch" in this word [] (but not in High German dialects).


Those sound shifts are the reason why I can understand many of the other Germanic languages, though only Western and Northern ones. With Southern like Bavarian I have much more difficulties.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, very impressive!

Thanks for making language learning interesting.

This forum was so quiet for many days until you came in.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kota wrote:
Ah, very impressive!

Thanks for making language learning interesting.

This forum was so quiet for many days until you came in.


Thank you! :D

You will meet many more cognates the more you progress. The vocabulary is not the main problem but especially the sentence structure will be a nightmare until you got used to it. But later on you can just open Wikipedia and click on Random Article, then you will find more than enough Modern German texts. Non-fictional texts are best for learning.

If you want to, you can open a thread for practising (with your name in the topic), and then I'll try to help you. :)

Oh, and since you have just started: learn the article (they show the gender of the nouns) with the nouns - later on it will be a nightmare, if you don't start with it right at the beginning. In contrast to English, the gender of a word is important and it does not only affect the nouns but also the adjectives.

Das rote Haus.
(The (That) red House.)

Diese roten Schuhe.
(These red shoes.)

You can see there further sound shifts:
- English "a" developed to "".
- (en; soft th) => d (de)
- d (en) => t (de)


If you are unsure about the gender or the morphology of a German word, you should look it up here: http://www.canoo.net/. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Amekeco!
You make language learning sound easy. Are you a teacher?

If I feel lazy enough to learn German, you drum up enough interest for me to go on. Actually, I have a client for whom I ghostwrite so I wanted to just learn a few sentences to surprise him.

I saw your name and it sounds Japanese.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I'm no teacher. ;)

If you are thinking of learning German, then just start it. You could learn it for a month and then see, if you motivation to go on is high enough. If not, then you at least know something about that language. :)

In contrast to English, you must know much more grammar before being able to utter your first sentences because of declension and flexion patterns but many of them are regular, and once you get a feeling for those, it won't be that hard anymore.

But be aware that learning languages is a tedious work at the beginning but the more you step into them, the more they will reward you. Many languages have a proverb expressing that languages are the keys to the hearts of us. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Amikeco,
Actually I'm with another language site but you are faster in responding and you know how to motivate. I was about to abandon this site until you came in.

Also, you seem to know much about languages and their characteristics.

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.german-grammar.de/grammar/content/english_german_table_of_content.htm

There are a couple of mistakes, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amikeco,

I noticed three articles used before every noun: der, die and das. I thought for a while that der was for male, die for female, and das for neuter. Then I looked again and I noticed that what pattern I thought I had observed was not there anymore.

Are there general rules for use of articles? Or is German like English that it breaks its own rules?
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